The Fourth Year.
We are now 4 years into the diocese of Lafayette’s “Uniting in Heart Pastoral Plan.”
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- If your parish is now struggling in a way that is different than it was 4 years ago, why do you think so, and to what do you attribute it?
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I was shocked to learn that today, the court has ruled in favor of the defendants in the Deoreo case by granting the defendant’s motion to dismiss the lawsuit. Whether or not Deoreo and his counsel decide to appeal this decision with a higher court remains to be seen. Unfortunately, this will likely only inflate Fr. Ted’s (already gigantic) ego and narcissistic behavior even more. What a sad day……
Wow it is a pretting strong and curt rebuke of Fr Deoreo’s attorney and case. Between this and the allegations, I really see no future in the church for Fr Deoreo.
I don’t DeOreo coming back too. Even if this go though the church, Cupich will dismiss it totally and side with DOL In church tribunal. Truly it a sad day for the church.
If the allegations are remotely true, then this is a good day for the church and everyone in the pews, especially those with kids and those who give money only to have it go to defending baseless lawsuits.
Case here – Church is protected by 1st Amendment per the Court. Doesn’t mean that the Diocese didn’t do anything wrong.
https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase/Case/Document/?token=Wm01p-unbGNZ7Kkvgpcikh5cQMjAAPBMda84rXlEPBsdN7EDIbk76Eak1MSKNbqmX8CpZQmUPTDfXWvyurDTnSgrOExZW96x1B8hejoZvJehfFQL-khQEJmpZq9y7K-9nF1M5ClzVoBhNR3o_YZtI-3pvH-1DeyW-7-A5K0z7GWZ9K7WOnl9aosWvwrbXUdKnVtgTK_wkG7BIbI-UeCI5g2
It was not a “strong” or “curt” rebuke.
It’s certainly not over. I really hope Fr. DeOreo appeals.
Perhaps this has been glossed over because of the number of priests on RedWolf with a vested interest, but I encourage everyone here (never thought I’d say this) to stop tithing to parishes. Give to your favorite priest personally and make it public. Literally say to your pastorate or pastor, “I gave to Fr. So-and-so rather than the offering plate because I believe it is immoral to give to a local Church that is so cruel to priests.” Send a letter to the diocese explaining this if you so desire:
Bishop Doherty
610 Lingle Ave.
Lafayette, IN 47901
Make no mistake: the current bishop of this diocese literally thinks he has done no wrong. The Vicar General, Fr. Ted Dudzinski is worse. Don’t let up. Keep letting them know. Tell them! You are upset and your funding will go elsewhere until they (to be specific the bishop and Fr. Ted Dudzinski) will admit they are wrong publicly. Say that the claims against Fr. DeOreo are unsubstantiated. The chancery needs to know that the financial flood gates can open as soon as they stop being egotistical and unwilling to admit error.
Priests and pastorates will tell you that they have to pay a portion to the diocese whether CMA goals are met or not, so you might as well give. This is true. But don’t be bullied or intimidated !! Be clear and say: my funds are only for a local Church that doesn’t bully priests and /or traditional Catholics. I think we should let our pastorates fail the silly goals put before us because Bishop Doherty is selfish. Don’t believe the lies. They won’t get their funds if we all give specifically to priests. That, in no way, is a bad thing.
I personally have had it. Please join me. I 100% believe that giving to CMA or (now) to the offering plate since it’s going to the bishop, too, is immoral. Cut a check to a priest. Don’t let the bad guys touch it.
And keep praying, people. It is a strange, strange, time to be a Catholic.
I agree with most, you don’t give a drunk a drink…don’t give your money to someone who will miss handle it. However, I disagree on one thing… Don’t name which priest you’re giving money to, unless you want a target on his back. “When you give, give in secret”
Yeah, it’s kind of sad that Fr. Ted keeps escaping earthly justice time and again, because divine justice is eventually meted out. And, as a rule, it’s always better to face earthly justice than divine justice. But what do I know, I’m just some easily-ignored face in the pews.
So, if you give your money to priests and not the parish, is it expected that the priest give the money to the parish for specific needs and ministries, or just for himself? If it isn’t clear, then we’ll end up with rich priests and closed parishes, because parishes have bills to pay to stay open.
I will say that my parish has thrived in the last 4 years. Do I attribute it to UiH? No! I attribute it to geographical trends and great parish leadership that began 4 years ago.
Unfortunately the court sided with DOL in this case and it can’t really be appealed if it was dismissed. By the sounds of this the court was aiming it more as a Church issue than an issue in the Court system.
Even if Fr.DeOreo tried to go through the Church tribunal, he wouldn’t even make it pass our District which leads to the Archdiocese of Chicago. We all know Doherty and Cupich are close on multiple committees.
We do need to pray for our Church all together. Just recently Antipope Francis just announced that all believes are a gateway to heaven which is totally against what we believe. Jesus is way the truth and light.. No one goes to the Father except thru him. We needed to pray to our Lord that he can take back his Church and show the people the truth and the light
When it comes to Francis, it’s best for your spiritual and mental health to just ignore him. God’s going to have to sort out His shepherds. There is nothing the marginalized faithful can do but pray and keep their souls clean. As far as I’m concerned, call me when Francis has either publicly repented or died. Because I’m done getting upset over his errors. Life’s too short to get knotted-up over the death throes of Modernism.
Come, Lord Jesus.
No, it’s not OK “just to ignore him”. When you attend a Novus Ordo mass, you’re participating in it in communion with whom the priest notes as the pope. A true pope cannot teach heresy. In fact, pre-conciliar understanding was that a pope would be struck down before he was able to teach heresy (e.g., Pope Sixtus V). Bergoglio has taught heresy, and still stands. Therefore, he cannot be a valid pope. Same logic applies to the other post-conciliar “popes” as well.
I’d prefer the Latin Mass and the pre-conciliar Church. However, riddle me this: If it was so great, how the heck did such a great organization allow such bad reforms? And in case you are wondering, I am asking rhetorically. The Pope is a dolt in many ways, but Vatican II or not, I’d bet he or somehow very similar would be Pope now.
I’d prefer the Latin Mass and the pre-conciliar Church. However, riddle me this: If it was so great, how the heck did such a great organization allow such bad reforms? And in case you are wondering, I am asking rhetorically. The Pope is a dolt in many ways, but Vatican II or not, I’d bet he or someone very similar would be Pope now.
Just as the French kings ignored God’s instructions to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus until it was too late (which lead to the end of the monarchy and the start of the French Revolution), the popes ignored God’s instruction to validly consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary until it was too late (which lead to the infiltration of the Vatican by Freemasons).
Freemasons>1958 Conclave>White Smoke, Black Smoke, White Smoke>Chair of St. Peter Impeded>Tridentine Mass of the Ages Replaced with Ape of the Church
Moral of the story: Don’t thumb your nose at God—particularly if you are a king/leader of many and He gives you a direct instruction.
“And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it unless French Kings don’t do this and your successors don’t do that because then Freemasons>1958 Conclave>White Smoke, Black Smoke, White Smoke>Chair of St. Peter Impeded>Tridentine Mass of the Ages Replaced with Ape of the Church.”
And Uniting in Heart is stupid, but I’m pretty sure for all Bishop Doherty doesn’t do well when he reads comments about French kings and Freemasons he feels like he can discount this website even more, so maybe you are the Freemason infiltrator.
I certainly don’t have the spiritual authority outside of my station in my immediate family, and as far as I’m aware I wasn’t given any special gifts of casting out demons by the Holy Spirit, but that last post sure read like my prior comment triggered something being cast out of someone.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If the court judgement is against Fr. Theodore and the diocese, maybe that would be the beginning of the end of our suffering. Hard to say since this our leadership so acts like all dictatorships.
Even when they lose they say they win. But we the people know differently.
Not 1¢ from any of us to pay off a $10M judgment against the dictators!
I agree but sadly nothing from a court of law will change this Diocese. It all has to come from Rome which Francis will won’t do anything. Even if Bishop Doherty retires it not going to change if Francis is still Pope.
Pray for church and pray for our Diocese.
Has there been a judgement?
Now there is a civil suit against Dudzinski!
What you are seeing is the appeal of the case that Deoreo lost. It is not a new civil case or case at all.
A poll about UIH on this forum is like polling the DNC attendees if they support Harris or Trump.
And like a poll on here is like everyone is anonymous.
The Amazing Parish program/prayer/and study materials that will only cost our parishes an additional $10,000 a year will save us…When is the decree to begin, the report that we’ve always budgeted an extra $10,000 for AmazingParish2030, the headline teaching us serfs that we’ve always loved it, and the final decree saying that we can’t afford to pay to be an AmazingParish anymore but now we’ll all collaborate to be AmazingParishes?
Cf George Orwell – 1984
Some info for those interested: St. Francis Solano in Francesville and St. Anne in Kewanna have been closed. The last mass at St. Anne in Kewanna will be Sept. 4 at 5:30 pm, and the church is planned for demolition.
Of course. Anything to try to get SSPX not to get a church.
No worries. The remnant few will adapt just as the persecuted Christians of old did, and recall the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass being held in hotel conference rooms, and basements as recently as a few decades ago. The gates of hell will not prevail.
St. Anne is apparently in a poor state of disrepair, which is the reason demolition was mentioned in the decree, but no specific plan has been made as far as I know
Plans for this were made months ago with parishioners present with the Bishop and financial team. The writing was on the wall for years. Very sad indeed. Keep praying for more priests!!! Pray for the priests we have!
Apparently not a poor enough state of disrepair to have a last Mass in though?
Also, I read the decree for the relegating of St. Anne Church…the meeting/decision was made on June 4, 2024…wasn’t Fr. Ted the pastor/administrator at that time? So he signed the actual decree as chancellor, but also approved of demolition as the pastor/administrator as required by Canon Law (of course he would)…conflict of interest there
The decision was made years ago. It was a process started by Father McKinney in 2019, passed down to the next priest, and finally now got finalized. I know everyone here is looking for fodder, but please don’t use this as part of it. Pinning this on one person is so strange when the parish had several meetings on this.
And THIS is what Uniting in Heart actually is: decline management. Cut away all the brochures and hype and look at what it actually does. After four years, they can’t hide it anymore. It was only ever designed to do one thing: close churches.
Consolidate. Close. Repeat. These are the true “pillars” of Uniting in Heart. And, if allowed to continue, our diocese itself will face suppression and consolidation with neighboring dioceses.
Fortunately for us, our inept and callous diocesan leadership is almost out of time. One year from now Bishop Doherty will be putting the finishing touches on his resignation letter to Rome, as what’s left of the diocesan staff organize his big 75th birthday party in September. Parishes targeted for closure will find their mass schedules disrupted, diminished, or eliminated. The empty Tipton Center’s operating hours will have steadily been reduced to near-closure (no one will notice). And Father DeOreo may find himself being among the more wealthy of the cancelled priests in this country.
Come, Lord Jesus.
Hopefully so @Faceplam Catholic but like I said doesn’t matter if Doherty writes his resignation today or next year or even the year after that. If Antipope Francis is still Pope we going to get same type of Bishop if not worse.
Personally, I think we’re coming to a point in Church (and world) history (as described in Dupont’s, “Catholic Prophesy” ) such that the world will be unrecognizable as early as this time next year. That said, no matter. Work to stay in a state of grace—pray, fast, and give penance.
UIH has been anything but uniting….except possibly in bitterness at the lack of a shepherd for the people (read: BISHOP). The non responsive nature of the rule from the top is so not appreciated. As was the cry for help from the parishes during the great shake up.
More like dividing and lawsuits.
Our parish has continued to grow in spirituality despite the Bishop. We are blessed with great priests and a great staff.
Covid pulled the curtain back and UIH blew up everything. First they closed the churches, then they told the old people to stay home. When we were allowed to return, the holy water fonts were empty, the oak pews had bleach(?) stains as did the tile floors. Did not know any of the priests. Saw no one except my family and that was on the other side of a door or on Zoom. Two kind parishioners visited once. Went to Confession in our all purpose room.
Health issues intervened, and I haven’t been to Mass in a long time. Only hear from the parish when they ask for money. I still watch the Mass every Sunday and holy day, pray a daily rosary and chaplet every day.
My little dog died and then my sister. Her funeral Mass was the last one I attended. She was the only member of my family who stayed in the Church.
Every day I ask the same question. What would they have done differently if they purposely wanted to hurt us?
Het there, Abandoned – On behalf of all of your fellow catholics/parishoners/church leaders – I apologize. They (I…We) have obviously failed you in our responsibilities of fellowship. But please come back to mass. Don’t stay away. Come back fully into the flock. You mentioned health issues. Do you need a ride to mass? To confession? Jesus loves you, and is waiting with open arms to embrace you.
Does our bishop care about this woman?
My pastorate somehow can’t support all the schools now. Even though they pay for new signage for two of there school buildings. Money has been an issue at my pastorate but now it seems worse and can’t trust were the funds go to. Never an issue with the leadership before UIH happened. Church sometimes seems like a place social issues than a place to worship Christ.
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Our parish is flourishing. We have great priests. There is greater cohesiveness of the families in our parish. Is this owing to UiH? If anything, it is in spite of UiH. Many of us are waiting for God to retire our bishop and bring in someone who was inspired and reinvigorated by the Eucharistic Congress.
Sadly though unless Francis is out and more conservative Pope is in charge, most likely our next Bishop would be coming from the Archdiocese of Chicago, which is know to be the looney tunes of priest saying mass even correctly.
Speaking about the Archdiocese of Chicago. Seeing a high raking Cardinal of our church giving an innovation to a political party that goes almost everything against our values and our faith. Hopefully Francis changes his ways soon, if not like I said don’t know even our Bishop even does retire his replacement would be the same if not worse.
So glad your parish is flourishing Baeolophus. Of course it really isn’t, is it?
Your parish like mine appears to flourish because of the whims of an Administration who cares nothing of its priests or people.
Our priest in Delphi died of Covid and I wonder if he would still be alive, and the priest in Pulaski still a priest, and the priest in West Lafayette still a priest, and the diocese not facing bankruptcy (even without the $10M lawsuit) if UiH had not been IMPOSED by Nero and his unqualified, shallow assistants (who should dress like cheerleaders) and Vicar?
Lies lies lies all around us. We all heard stories from VERY reliable sourceS about when the priests all met in June at the Tipton Retreat Center (don’t insult St. Joseph by dragging his name into the title of that money pit).
The steeple/chapel roof was leaking, no hot water for the priests’ rooms, urine leaking into the dining area from a guest room above it, a urine smell in the dining area, broken windows not repaired, dirty fixtures, etc. etc. etc.
But the official line is that the place is an incredible moneymaker and source of spiritual renewal!
Sorry! My family has to have hot water and non-leaking toilets.
Lies. Control. Lies. More control. Did I mention lies?
Hey Baeolophus! Your parish isn’t thriving at all. If Nero or his corrupt Vicar eat a bad pizza before bed tonight you’ll finally get it.
Hey! How did we get from UiH being “a new way of being,” to today with staffs in disarray in many places, firings in diocesan level (no article in the Catholic Moment thanking Dr. Dora Tobar for her work here until she got fired), to another shift in diocesan policy because they got no more money so parishes get together to plan your OWN stuff because we got no money to help you?!?! And foist it off like that TOO is another development we all expected from UiF!
Lies. Control. Lies. More control. Did I mention lies?
My wife says that’s enough for one day, but hey Baeolophus…you’re livin in a dream world!
PS is there a support group for people who are abused by their bishops and who have to hide from them when they’ve had two little control the day before and they are in a rage?
THIS
Noticed my parish had recent Facebook post about the importance of Gregorian chant to praise God, honor Mary, scare away demons, and how we should listen to it at home. How about bringing it into Holy Mass? Also mentioned how chant is often done in Latin, “the language of the Church, unifying us”. A previous music director was trying to add in Latin, but suffered much pushback from some in the pews. Some loud parishioners complained about any Latin, entrance antiphons, communion antiphons, etc saying they wanted no antiphons (even though they were sung in English), flowery, long sing-songy psalms, more Gather songs, etc. Others tried to ask for better music (chant, God-centered hymns, not me-centered, more Latin, but new director not interested.) Hope they can reconsider and bring back the Church’s heritage music, Gregorian chant, and more Latin. Currently, the Church feels more protestant than Catholic at times. White-washed walls, too. No interest by diocese to upgrade sanctuary. Very disheartening.
Four years ago the diocese was in shambles because it had just been totally shut down, not due to COVID, but due to zero leadership by the Bishop. The dying were unattended, those who hungered and thirsted for Christ’s Body and Blood were left starving. The newly born had been denied Baptism, endangering their souls to eternal loss of Heaven. Those in mortal sin were denied Confession. The Church has always respected burying the dead as an act of charity, an act denied during 2020. The dying were denied visits with viaticum and the Sacrament of the Sick. Those intending to enter the Church at Easter were denied Confirmation. In other words, all seven Sacraments of the Church were suspended during the COVID Panic of 2020. I dare claim more Masses were held in the Catacombs of the early centuries of the Church than in the world during the COVID panic, thanks to the pusillanimous leadership of the Church, including our Bishop.
When the Churches reopened, the lack of confidence of the Bishop in his Priests was reflected in his 15 page decree on how to say Mass, including erroneously publishing that the GIRM stated Communion in the hand was preferred; which was blatantly false. When his hand was forced regarding Communion on the tongue, he refused to state his policy regarding Communion on the tongue was not the teaching of the Catholic Church.
Poor leadership from bishop and his staff trickles down to confuse parishes
Massive changes in staff while saving money caused deterioration in some liturgy (some did improve but less than what deteriorated)
Fewer programs of interest to adults
Some priests and other staff running on empty due to expectations from bishop and his staff
Less collections, mass attendance, lay liturgy participation
Poor leadership from bishop and his staff trickles down to confuse parishes
Massive changes in staff while saving money caused deterioration in some liturgy (some did improve but less than what deteriorated)
Fewer programs of interest to adults
Some priests and other staff running on empty due to expectations from bishop and his advisers
Some unqualified staff due to frequent turnover
Less collections
Less mass attendance
Less lay liturgy participation
Poor leadership from bishop and his staff trickles down to confuse parishes
Massive changes in staff while saving money caused deterioration in some liturgy (some did improve but less than what deteriorated)
Fewer programs of interest to adults
Some priests and other staff running on empty due to expectations from bishop and his advisers
Staff turnover
Some unqualified staff due to frequent turnover
Less collections
Less mass attendance
Less lay liturgy participation
Hamilton County is the place to be. Lafayette is not. I feel sorry for our priests who are too close to the chancery’s prying eyes. No transparency for the people to see where our money is going. We are suffocating and there seems no help for us. Even Rome seems not to care.
Yeah the big problem is Rome. Let see when the last supper Debacle at the opening ceremony of the Olympics a few weeks ago it took the Vatican about week plus a day to even respond to it, and yet I haven’t heard a outcry on our pulpit about this. Even the closing ceremony was bad enough even there a report they ban the Mass at the Olympics.
This show Francis is more focused on social issues than even his own faith, the one he supposed to shepherd, and the true wolves are showing their cards. It’s Trickling down all the way to even our local parishes. Like Bishop Baron says we need to call this out.